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Leadership Conversations: Recruitment & Change, a Case Study by Author Tarran Deane

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Framing feedback, trust, and meaningful dialogue in leadership, recruitment and stakeholder engagement during change activities

Context – The Situation | A Candidate Recruitment Conversation 

In today’s fast-paced professional environments, conversations—whether in stakeholder engagements, leadership meetings, candidate interviews, or change management discussions—can sometimes feel rushed, transactional, and lacking in depth.

Last year, I found myself on the receiving end of one such conversation following an interview process that didn’t go as planned.

I knew the where and when of this interview had pushed me outside my comfort zone. I was interstate, managing an unexpected family challenge, coupled with internet issues, all while trying to maintain composure and professionalism. Despite that, I stayed present and engaged, though I could feel the pressure more than usual.

It was a timely reminder that everyone has their own challenges—whether in a job interview, stakeholder engagement, or leading change. The lead interviewer might have been new to their role, possibly just a week in, navigating their own workplace learning curves. The two-person online interview panel were warm, engaging and gracious as we laughed, responding, “Well, you’ve answered 2-3 questions with that response.” 

STAR method? Out the window that day, I’m afraid.

Personal Reflection

The following week, I followed up with the external recruiter. He answered on the fly—I could hear it in the background noise and the slight change in breathing as he walked. His feedback was curt and to the point:

“You spoke too long on the first question.”

Delivered immediately after informing me I wasn’t moving forward, the words landed heavily. His tone may have simply reflected his own preferred communication style, rather than a personal judgment against me. But in that moment, it felt like it.

Seeking clarity and alignment—as we do in change management and leadership—I’d confirmed with the interviewers directly prior to wrapping up our time together:

“Were there any questions you had left unanswered?”

“No,” came the reply, with a kind overview of the process moving forward if next steps were to occur. For them, it had felt like a conversation.

At that moment, I was reminded of something I often tell my executive coaching clients:

“The skills that got you the job, if they do, won’t be the skills that keep you in the job.”

Sometimes, the right doors don’t open—because they’re not meant to.

I took two hours to process what had been said. I replayed the interview, dissected the conversation, and unpacked what went wrong. The abruptness of his delivery echoed in my mind, making it harder to separate the message from the sting.

But as I reflected, I realized something:

Feedback like this—though painful—can be one of the greatest gifts for growth AND context does matter. It won’t come as a surprise to some that I made my living as a Professional Speaker for more than a decade, presenting on platforms both in Australia and overseas. Big differences between the stage and the little screen on my Mac.

We keep learning and refining.

As Proverbs 4:7 says:
“Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom. And in all your getting, get understanding.”

In leadership, stakeholder engagement, and change management, wisdom doesn’t come from perfection—it comes from humility, learning, and adapting when things don’t go as planned.

So, let’s review how you and we can frame feedback, trust, and meaningful dialogue in leadership, recruitment and stakeholder engagement

Character – Integrity, Intent, Capabilities, and Results | Personal Leadership Qualities

As Stephen M. R. Covey outlines in “The Speed of Trust”, trust is built on character and competence—specifically integrity, intent, capabilities, and results.

In that interview setting, these elements were at play on both sides. The recruiter likely intended to provide direct, constructive feedback but delivered it in a way that lacked warmth and understanding. My own intent was to bring my best self to the table, but external pressures fractured my focus.

Key Leadership Reflection:
  • Integrity and Intent: Are we approaching conversations with the right heart?
  • Capabilities and Results: Do our communication skills align with our intent to foster trust and connection?
  • Show some grace to yourself and others.

Content – The Exchange of Information | Stakeholder Engagement

The core of any meaningful conversation is the content—the information shared and how it’s communicated.

In this case, the feedback was valuable but delivered without nuance or empathy. It was transactional, not transformational. Great leaders and recruiters know that how you say something is just as important as what you say.
Leadership Insight:

  • Are we exchanging information, or are we connecting?
  • Is our feedback designed to correct, or to empower and guide?

Cadence – Pacing, Pauses, and Provoking Stakeholder Engagement

Cadence—the pacing and flow of conversation—can either foster engagement or stifle it. In my interview, the lack of pauses, space, and two-way dialogue made the interaction feel rushed and transactional.

In leadership conversations – and speaking from the platform – pauses invite reflection.

Pacing allows for engagement.

Provoking (positively) encourages dialogue and curiosity.

Key Leadership Reflection:
  • Are we allowing space for reflection and meaningful exchange?
  • Are we pacing conversations to build trust and rapport?

Conflict – Redirecting Without Diminishing | The Tension in Conversations

Every conversation carries the potential for conflict—even subtle forms, like misunderstandings or unmet expectations. The recruiter’s direct feedback, though not ill-intentioned, felt abrupt and diminished the value of the interaction.

Great leaders and communicators know how to redirect a conversation without diminishing the value of the person. It’s about acknowledging the gap while preserving dignity.

Leadership Insight:

  • Are we correcting behavior while still valuing the individual?
  • Are we aware of how our words may impact someone’s confidence or perception?

Clarify – Bold and Humble Leadership

Simon Sinek said it best:

“Don’t show up to prove, show up to improve.”

That small shift in mindset can turn feedback moments from combative to collaborative, creating space for learning and connection.

You can catch the Simon Sinek video here

In leadership, clarifying is about courageously addressing misperceptions without slipping into defensiveness. Leaders who clarify do so with boldness and humility, understanding that correcting an impression isn’t self-justifying—it’s building trust.

In that interview, I missed the opportunity to keep my response to a succinct minute or two and clarify in the moment—perhaps to pause and say, “Would you like me to focus on key points, or expand on that further?” But the real takeaway was the importance of creating space in conversations where both sides feel empowered to clarify expectations.

But then again, contrary to Simon Sinek’s taking full ownership of the feedback, there could have been another reason.

At the end of the day, perhaps “He’s Just Not That Into You”

 

 

Reflecting on Simon Sinek’s video, where his date remarked “This,” waving her hands towards him, “this was all too much,” I realized sometimes it’s not about right or wrong—it’s about fit. In both dating and professional interactions, there are moments where, despite effort and preparation, it simply isn’t the right match. And that’s okay.

Key Leadership Reflection:
  • Are we courageous enough to clarify misperceptions?
  • Do we create environments where others feel safe to do the same?
  • Change resilience and maturing, means letting go of rejection and reframing the narrative.

This is Your Call to Action – Lead Conversations That Build Trust

Whether you’re a recruiter, a leader, or a candidate navigating interviews, conversations are where trust is built or broken. It’s always personal before it’s professional.

Remember these simple, yet powerful steps:

  • Context & Character: Lead with intent—know why you’re engaging and ensure your communication reflects that.
  • Content & Cadence: Listen with empathy—you never know what someone else might be navigating.
  • Clarify Conflict: Pause for clarity—make space for questioning, reflection, redirection and correction without diminishing value.
  • Call to Action: Follow-up – Stay connected, re-engage with your stakeholder, customer – and candidate.

Whether you’re a recruiter, a candidate, a change manager, in a leadership position now, or seeking new roles in the future (internally or directly)—value both your offering and your personhood. Determine alignment to the organisational values and position yourself to learn and grow.

You never know what someone else is going through or what conversations are happening behind the scenes, outside of your control.

Lead conversations with integrity and intent, character and kindness.

Because trust—like leadership and managing all aspects of change and stakeholder engagement—is built one conversation at a time.

What’s your trust bias say about you?

Do you start with a positive baseline of trust and build it from there?

 

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The Little Language Tweak That’s Going to Help Your Recruitment Interviews and Performance Reviews

The Language You Use Can Make Such a Huge Difference to Your Recruitment Interviews and Performance Review sessions.

 

I have this framework that I use for my calls with coaching clients when we’re reviewing what’s worked well and what their objectives are for the future.

It’s really simple and it goes something like this:

 

Establish what the coaching client wants by asking, “What does success look like to you?”

 

It’s the SAME for YOUR future and potential employees. Engaging in a conversation on equal footing is incredibly liberating. Here are some of the phrases I suggest you try asking the other person when you’re undertaking your next recruitment interview or performance review:

 

What does success look like to them in the next 12 months / at the end of the major project?

Then give them time and space to answer

 

How is their influence doing right now as a result of their leadership? What are they doing at this moment to try and get the success they’ve outlined?

Then give them time and space to answer


What are their roadblocks? What’s standing in their way and preventing them from reaching success.

Then give them time and space to answer

 

When they’ve answered these sample questions for instance, we’ve now got everything we need to create a plan that will take the business forward, build engagement and strengthen individual belonging to the business.

 

Whoa! Stop – Did You Catch That?

It’s not about ME taking on another task and designing a plan in isolation and telling them what I expect from them; nor is it about THEM going away, ticking a box, filling in the bullet points and emailing it back in some random kind of fearful way.

 

You see, everyone wants to feel valued, and ‘enough’ and like they have control over what happens next. 

 

The Poet, William Ernest Henley writes in his Prose “Invictus”,

“I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul.” This 18th-century poem was movingly recited by Nelson Mandela during his incarceration on Robben Island Prison.

 

Napolean Hill contemporised Henley’s wisdom with his words,

 

Practice Mastering Your Conversations

Helping your colleagues walk confidently in their identity and genuinely experience that they are masters of their own destiny is incredibly empowering – and masterful on your part as the Leader.

Right here, you can see the important role that your language as a leader plays in your recruitment interviews and performance review sessions.

Why Should I Bother to Take this Approach?

If you say “I will do this…” then you’re putting all of the work on your shoulders. You’re basically telling your employee to sit back because you’ve got this for them. They just need to answer some questions and you’ll do the rest. That’s disempowering.

And, hear me out here: you’re making a martyr of yourself by not pacing yourself appropriately.

That’s not how leadership works.

So it’s all about “we”.

 

“We’re going to run through a framework. Once we’re done, we’ll have what we need to create a plan for this next season. How’s that sound?”

 

Now your employee is engaged from the start and re-inducted at every performance review (and at regular intervals in between, right because this approach becomes a lifestyle of leadership). They’ll want to be an active participant. This isn’t something that you’re going to do for them or to them.

Success is something that you’re going to work together on to achieve. That’s something community groups do pretty well. It’s what industry, corporate and government can also embrace more intentionally. Less bureaucracy and more human connection. 

As a result it’s the little tweaks in your language like this that can take your conversations and your success in your own role from mediocre to masterful.

 

Watch your leadership language so you can set the right expectations from the start.

Be engaging!

 

Tarran Deane 

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Daniel Mangion

BUSINESS OWNER

Tarran’s ability to quickly understand and empathise with my business situation is a true testament of her knowledge and experience. Tarran clearly conveyed strategies that I was able to implement immediately to create a positive effect on my business and me personally.

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General Manager Quality & Risk / LifeLine Australia

When I was offered the opportunity to have an executive coach, Tarran Deane was THE person top of mind. As a national executive in a high profile organisation, with complex dynamics, Tarran is the person who guided me through the season, who helped me clarify focus and direction and equipped me to navigate it. My team directly benefited as a result. I highly recommend every executive having a high-level Coach and Mentor. My recommendation is Tarran Deane. Brilliant.

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S01.E05 Workplace Politics, Perceptions & Performance~ The Awesome Show #LeadershipPodcast with Tarran Deane & Russell Pearson

The Awesome Show LEADERSHIP Podcast S01.Episode 05: WORKPLACE Politics, Perceptions & Performance

Ep 05 Season 001 of The Awesome Show Leadership Podcast with Tarran Deane and Russell Pearson Subscribe at www.theawesomeshow.com.au

 

In this episode Tarran and Russell discuss Leadership Politics, Perceptions & Performance

Ongoing changes in the Australian Political landscape have us reviewing our place as leaders in the current environment.

In this episode you’ll hear a frank discussion of our perceptions and insights around leadership in the 21st Century. We look at what honouring leadership means for leaders today and the dangers to watch for in a very transparent yet highly scrutinised, biased and subjective communication space. Workplace politics and trial by media are an invitation to stand on your values, be increasingly agile and make the tough, unpopular decisions when you might need to.

You’re always “ON”, being mindful of perceptions but not driven by them requires a strong sense of personal awareness, emotional intelligence and the courage of your conviction when you or your team are under the microscope.

Redundancies impact the recipient and the team. Rebuilding trust and confidence takes time.

This episode, like every episode of the Awesome Show, captures the warmth, banter and straight forward conversation shared by Tarran and Russell as they draw on their combined skills of the executive and entrepreneur. It’s jam packed with insights for current and emerging leaders!

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ABOUT THE CO-HOSTS: Tarran Deane & Russell Pearson

Tarran and Russell met during an International Leadership Institute in Arizona, during November 2014. They were representing Professional Speakers Australia in volunteer Leadership positions in Queensland and Victoria. Both flat out with work, and loving their spouses and kiddywinks, Tarran and Russell weren’t even sure if they’d like each other! When they met and a madcap, crazy brother-sister relationship emerged. They came back from the United States with some great ideas, purposefully kept in touch, and launched The Awesome Show as a Pilot Podcast Season for Emerging Leaders.

Since launching the Program and partnering together they’ve both enjoyed a great sense of community, strengthened the bonds between their respective PSA states, grown their businesses, spent time with each other’s family and reached more Leaders together!

Now that’s simply awesome!

Tarran Deane: Speaks and Consults to Executives and Senior Leaders on Change, Connection & Communication to Drive Results from Brisbane – Gold Coast Australia

Russell Pearson: Speaks and Consults to Companies and Organisation on Brand Design and Execution from Melbourne Victoria